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lunedì 16 settembre 2019

UN PAPA IN CONFUSIONE MENTALE SULLA PENA DI MORTE

UN PAPA IN CONFUSIONE MENTALE SULLA PENA DI MORTE
I problemi sulle sparate contro la pena di morte non finiscono mai. Eccone altri tre.
1) Le affermazioni confuse del papa, o contraddicono l'insegnamento tradizionale, nel qual caso un cattolico dovrebbe dissentire; oppure equivalgono a un semplice giudizio prudenziale, nel qual caso un cattolico puo' dissentire.
2) E' stato affermato che la condanna all'ergastolo è moralmente equivalente alla condanna alla pena capitale, per cui, per un cattolico, opporsi alla seconda implicherebbe opporsi anche al primo.
3) Papa Francesco ha espresso l'opinione che la condanna alla pena capitale è anche peggio dell'omicidio stesso. Sparate del genere possono essere minimizzate, ma allora deve arguirsi che puo' essere minimizzata anche la condanna alla pena capitale e quindi dissociarsi da essa.

mercoledì 26 giugno 2019

MA PERCHE' NON LO DICONO IN MODO CHIARO?

MA PERCHE' NON LO DICONO IN MODO CHIARO?

Supponiamo che tu sia un cattolico che pensa che la pena di morte non dovrebbe mai essere applicata nelle circostanze attuali. Bello. Hai tutto il diritto di pensarlo. La tua posizione è ortodossa, nessuno ti accuserà mai di eresia. Tuttavia, questa posizione è molto diversa dal dire che la pena capitale è sempre e intrinsecamente sbagliata, che è di per sé errata, che il male che implica appartiene alla sua natura. Sostenere una cosa del genere ti farebbe uscire dall'ortodossia poiché manifestamente contraria alle Scritture, ai Padri e ai Dottori della Chiesa, nonché al costante insegnamento dei papi almeno fino a Benedetto XVI.

In altri termini, ogni buon cattolico è obbligato ad affermare, a pena di eresia, la seguente "frase": "LA PENA DI MORTE NON E' INTRINSECAMENTE SBAGLIATA".

Se qualcuno volesse abbelllire il suo discorso - per esempio dicendo: "la pena capitale non è sempre e intrinsecamente sbagliata; TUTTAVIA, sarebbe meglio non usarla per tali e tali motivi "- ancora una volta, è legittimato a farlo. Nessun problema.

Curiosamente, tuttavia, con alcune onorevoli eccezioni, pochi prelati contemporanei sembrano disposti ad affermare "la frase" incriminata. Molti tacciono, altri si arrampicano sugli specchi.

Questo articolo è un esempio preclaro di ambiguità: da un lato si precisa che "... la decisione di Papa Francesco non rappresenta un cambiamento nell'insegnamento della Chiesa, ma uno sviluppo. Nessun Papa può contraddire il precedente insegnamento della Chiesa. Può al limie modificarlo, chiarirlo, rafforzarlo, riaffermarlo ed espanderlo... Il Papa è il servo, non il padrone, della Parola rivelata da Dio così come preservata e trasmessa dalla Sua Chiesa..."; dall'altro evitando accuratamente di pronunciare "la frase" fa apparire la goffa "svolta" di Francesco come un chiaro abuso contro la tradizione.

https://catholicsmobilizing.org/church-speaks/cardinal-timothy-dolan-closing-loophole-capital-punishment


venerdì 3 agosto 2018

ERESIA!

Riccardo Mariani
1 min
ERESIA!
Secondo me la decisione di Francesco è eretica, cercherò di comprenderlo ma so già che sarà una faticaccia. L’argomento a difesa della pena di morte è facile, chiaro, pulito, rigoroso, lucido e solido. E soprattutto lo dobbiamo fondamentalmente all’epoca d’oro del pensiero cattolico.
1. Chi sbaglia merita di essere punito.
2. La punizione deve essere proporzionata all’errore.
3. Alcuni crimini sono talmente gravi che nessuna punizione inferiore per severità alla pena capitale sarebbe adeguatamente proporzionata.
4. Chi si macchia dei crimini di cui al punto precedente merita di morire.
Francamente non saprei quale di queste affermazioni sia errata.

ILPOST.IT
Papa Francesco ha modificato la dottrina ufficiale cattolica, che prima la ammetteva per i casi più gravi



martedì 24 ottobre 2017

1 Argomento della pena di morte


1. Chi sbaglia merita di essere punito.
2. La punizione deve essere proporzionata all'errore.
3. Alcuni crimini sono talmente gravi che nessuna punizione inferiore per severità alla pena capitale sarebbe adeguatamente proporzionata.
4. Chi si macchia dei crimini di cui al punto precedente merita di morire.

lunedì 23 ottobre 2017

1 - By Man Shall His Blood Be Shed: A Catholic Defense of Capital Punishment Edward Feser and Joseph Bessette

By Man Shall His Blood Be Shed: A Catholic Defense of Capital Punishment
Edward Feser and Joseph Bessette
Last annotated on Saturday October 21, 2017
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1 Natural Law and Capital Punishment
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Natural law in Catholic moral theology
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the universal, practical obligatory judgments of reason, knowable by all men as binding them to do good
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the ends or final causes
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human teleology”.
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not man-made,
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it is not supernatural but is distinct from the order of grace
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That is by no means to say that God is irrelevant to natural law.
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pagan thinkers such as Plato and Aristotle.
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The official teaching of the Catholic Church also strongly affirms natural law and natural theology.
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Traditional natural law theory
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“the Thomistic doctrine of natural law” historically favored by the Church.
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traditional natural law theory is committed to an essentialist metaphysics
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and it is teleological insofar as it holds that natural substances have final causes
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the early modern philosopher David Hume famously argued that conclusions about what ought to be the case (statements about value) cannot validly be inferred from premises concerning what is the case (statements of fact).
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“naturalistic fallacy”,
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Traditional natural law theorists tend to speak, not of value, but of the good,
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There are certain ends that any organism must realize in order to flourish as an organism
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Nature wants us to eat so that we will stay alive,
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Desires are nature’s way of prodding us to do what is good for us,
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“natural” does not mean merely “statistically common”,
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It has instead to do with the final causes
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Moral obligation
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“good is to be done and pursued, and evil is to be avoided”
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metaphysics is not essential to seeing that this first principle is correct;
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But that metaphysics can help us to understand
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good action is just that which is “in accord with reason”,
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eternal law, which is essentially the order of archetypes or ideas
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OLTRE LA LEGGE NATIRALE... ALTRE DUE

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human law, which is the set of conventional or man-made principles
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Finally there is divine law, which is law given directly by God, such as the Mosaic Law.
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morality is in principle knowable to a significant extent even to the atheist,
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With ethics as with natural phenomena, however, it by no means follows that reference to God is absolutely unnecessary.
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Natural rights
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Now, it is part of that nature that we are social animals,
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For example, as Philippa Foot writes, “Like lionesses, human parents are defective if they do not teach their young the skills that they need to survive.”
Note:ESEMPIO DI VIOLAZIONE

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But an obligation on the part of a person A toward a person B entails a right on the part of B against A.
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The most basic natural right is the right to do what we are obligated to do
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a right not to be killed.
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“the rights of all men are limited by the end for which the rights were given”;
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teleological foundation
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As Aquinas emphasized, that the natural law morally prohibits something does not suffice to show that governments should legally prohibit it.
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The idea of a “natural right to do wrong” is an oxymoron.
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In the Hobbesian “state of nature”, everyone has a “right” to do anything
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why we should attribute even conventional rights to the weakest members of society
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Contractarians have offered various responses to these difficulties, which typically involve inventive appeals to various less obvious ways in which the strong might benefit from leaving the weak alone,
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“Free-riding individuals of a species whose members work together are just as defective as those who have defective hearing, sight, or powers of locomotion.”
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Punishment
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The goodness of punishment
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for Aquinas it is an error to identify happiness with pleasure or unhappiness with pain.
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realization of the ends
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Nature has attached pleasure to certain goods
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inordinate indulging of our own will or the inordinate securing of pleasure
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following from the will—
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“equality of justice” will be restored by answering an offender’s overindulgence of his will with the infliction of something that is contrary to his will.
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punishment is inherently good
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the tendency to punish is a virtue, so long as it is motivated by justice,
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odd to contemporary ears to call vengeance a virtue,
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tendency to confuse the abuse of vengeance with vengeance itself.
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Prummer’s Handbook of Moral Theology classifies “revenge” as among the “virtues related to justice” while condemning “cruelty or savagery”
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The principle of proportionality
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punishment ought to be proportional to the offense.
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not merely a quantitative, but also a qualitative matter.
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a natural correlation between goodness and pleasure, on the one hand, and evil and pain on the other.
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The purposes of punishment
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restoration of what Aquinas calls “the equality of justice”
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retribution,
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correction
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deterrence
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incapacitation
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restitution
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Psychiatrist Karl Menninger
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Ramsey Clark,
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for the natural law theorist, retribution is not only a legitimate
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other functions of punishment themselves become problematic in the absence of retribution.
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extremely mild punishments for major crimes or extremely harsh punishments for minor crimes.
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The concept of Desert is the only connecting link between punishment and justice.
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someone guilty even of a minor and nonviolent offense could in principle be taken into custody indefinitely, for as long as we think it will take us to cure him.
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Catechism of the Catholic Church endorses the primacy of retribution:
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Public authority
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Capital punishment
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The death penalty and retributive justice
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1. Wrongdoers deserve punishment.      2. The graver the wrongdoing, the severer is the punishment deserved.      3. Some crimes are so grave that no punishment less than death would be proportionate in its severity.      4. Therefore, wrongdoers guilty of such crimes deserve death.      5. Public authorities have the right, in principle, to inflict on wrongdoers the punishments they deserve.      6. Therefore, public authorities have the right, in principle, to inflict the death penalty on those guilty of the gravest offenses.
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The death penalty and the other purposes of punishment
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But if retribution is a necessary aim of punishment, is it also sufficient?
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Aquinas stresses especially the value of capital punishment in incapacitating
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a further benefit of capital punishment is that, precisely because of its supreme gravity, it can uniquely reinforce our sense of the transcendent source
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enhance the dignity of the criminal law,
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To “excite horror” of such crimes
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reinforce within society a horror of especially heinous crimes
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proclamation: that murder is intolerable.
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Replies to some common objections
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1. “Capital punishment violates the right to life.”
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capital punishment contradict themselves by advocating the death penalty for murderers.
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it is wrong to kill an innocent person.
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2. “Capital punishment is an affront to human dignity.”
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it might be argued, along Kantian lines, that capital punishment treats an offender purely as a means
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But imprisonment and other punishments also involve interfering with a rational agent’s freedom.
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Kantian concerns about the dignity of persons could just as well (and indeed, we think more plausibly) be said to tell in favor of capital punishment.
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3. “Capital punishment erodes respect for human life.”
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even if murderers deserve to die, we only perpetuate the “cycle of violence” if we kill them.
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it would be a good objection to any other punishment. It is like saying that imprisoning kidnappers further erodes respect for human freedom,
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4. “Capital punishment is motivated by vengeance.”
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Words such as “vengeance”, “revenge”, and so forth are ambiguous.
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an animus against punishment as such. When I gingerly introduced the subject of Hell,
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If punishment is never retributive, the human race in all countries and ages has been the sport of a strange illusion.
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5. “Capital punishment does not deter.”
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Steven Goldberg
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if] the death penalty deters, it is likely that it does so through society’s saying that certain acts are so unacceptable that society will kill one who commits them; the individual internalizes
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James Fitzjames Stephen:
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Hundreds of thousands abstain from it because they regard it with horror.
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it is not fundamental.
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Social opprobrium
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Even if we do not know whether the death penalty deters, we should still “bet” that it does. For if it does deter and we fail to make use of it, then this failure will result in the deaths of innocent people,
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good a priori reasons
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6. “Capital punishment removes the possibility of reform.”
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especially powerful by Catholic opponents of the death penalty.
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the good that might be afforded the offender if he is not executed has to be balanced against the evil that others might suffer
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He might repent of his evil in the time remaining
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Many criminals are, after all, only hardened in evildoing by their time in prison
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the prospect of imminent execution can actually facilitate an evildoer’s repentance.
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A wrongdoer cannot truly be rehabilitated until he comes to acknowledge the gravity of his offense. But the gravity of an offense is more manifest when the punishments for that offense reflect its gravity—
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if a potential murderer is deterred by the prospect of capital punishment from committing a horrendous crime in the first place, then we have, as it were, preemptively “reformed” him.
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7. “Who are we to think we have the authority to take someone’s life.”
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8. “An innocent person wrongly executed cannot get his life back.”
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it obviously has no force in cases where there is no room for doubt about guilt,
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a similar objection could be raised against other harsh punishments.
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Third, if the death penalty has deterrence value, then we also risk the lives of innocent people if we do not have capital punishment.
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Rival ethical theories
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Kant on capital punishment
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If [someone] has committed a murder, he must die. In this case, there is no substitute that will satisfy the requirements of legal justice.
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There is nothing in the traditional natural law theorist’s position that entails that we must execute offenders who deserve death.
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Consequentialism and proportionalism
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The utilitarian theories of Jeremy Bentham and John Stuart Mill
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Consequentialist arguments could be given and have been given both for capital punishment and against it. Bentham was against it; Mill supported it.
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“forward-looking”
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there is no limit in principle to what we might do either to the guilty or to the innocent.
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New Natural Law theory (NNLT)
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its proponents do seek to be faithful to the Magisterium
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NNLT proponents, by contrast, tend to endorse the Humean fact-value dichotomy.
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“ought” cannot be derived from an “is”.
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metaphysical analysis of human nature.
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not endorse Hume’s verdict in his Treatise of Human Nature that “the rules of morality. . . are not conclusions of our reason.”
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NNLT tries to solve this problem by recourse to a theory of practical reason.
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reason oriented towards action, grasps as self-evidently desirable
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life and health; knowledge and aesthetic experience; skilled work and play; friendship; marriage;
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“agent-centered”.
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“third-person”,
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agent knows
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goods are self-evidently
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“subjective”
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“subjective” in the sense that it is from the agent’s introspection
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self-evident
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One implication of this is that what Tollefsen calls the good of “harmony with God” cannot be regarded as higher than other basic goods such as “friendship”,
Note:IMPLICAZIONE IMBARAZZANTE?

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“a theory of natural law without needing to advert to the question of God’s existence or nature or will”
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NNLT proponent John Finnis regards the political order as having only “instrumental” value, serving to promote the private good
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Punishment restores the proper distribution of advantages
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the offender harms himself by acting unjustly,
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the intentional killing of a person involves acting directly against the basic good of life.
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capital punishment involves such intentional killing,
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owing more to the liberalism and individualism of Hobbes, Locke, and Kant than to the natural law political tradition of Aristotle and Aquinas.
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excessively subjectivist
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the NNLT list of basic goods (which varies somewhat from writer to writer) is arbitrary and ad hoc, formulated precisely so as to guarantee that certain desired conclusions will be reached
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1. Does the NNLT in fact entail that capital punishment is intrinsically immoral?
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even if we were to accept the NNLT, it is not clear that a condemnation of capital punishment as inherently immoral really does follow
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Finnis at one time defended capital punishment
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2. Is the NNLT approach to capital punishment coherent?
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the principles of desert and proportionality entail the legitimacy in principle of capital punishment. Hence, if the NNLT advocate accepts these principles, he has to accept the legitimacy in principle of capital punishment.
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NNLT advocate Christopher Tollefsen has argued that while “instrumental goods” such as “liberty and money” may be taken away from an offender as a proportionate punishment for an offense, a “basic or intrinsic” good such as human life cannot be.
Note:DIFESA NNLT...LA VITA COME BENE SPECIALE

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Tollefsen asserts that “human beings have intrinsic dignity”,
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a “sacred or inviolable quality”.
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life by itself cannot be what gives human beings their dignity; plants and nonhuman animals also have life,
Note:OBOEZIONE

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our liberty flows from the rationality and free choice
Note:CIÒ CHE CI DÀ DIGNITÀ

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Yet Tollefsen regards this liberty as a “merely instrumental
Note:XCHÈ DARE ALLA VITA PIÙ VALORE CHE ALLA LIBERTA?

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Tollefsen insists that just punishment, in particular, ought to be construed as political rather than metaphysical.
Note:TOLFSEN... OB DELKA POLITICA

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The trouble with the traditional natural law position we defend, in Tollefsen’s view, is that it is metaphysical,
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we do indeed deeply disagree with Tollefsen over matters of general political philosophy.
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settling these matters is not in fact essential to the dispute
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3. Is the NNLT position on capital punishment compatible with Catholic teaching?
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NNLT writers claim that capital punishment is immoral not merely under certain circumstances, but intrinsically immoral, always and in principle immoral. Yet Scripture, Tradition, and the popes not only have never taught this, but have consistently denied it.
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